Comments on: Mormons, did God the Father gain his knowledge of good and evil by eating of the forbidden fruit? http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html LDS NEXT the Evolution of Latter Day Saint Social Networking Sun, 25 Oct 2009 21:57:07 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: biblegirl http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2246 biblegirl Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:03:06 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2246 If it's the transcript I think it is, it is from a recording that someone secretly took in. Also according to what I've read the transcript is now not entirely valid b/c the ceremony changed If it’s the transcript I think it is, it is from a recording that someone secretly took in. Also according to what I’ve read the transcript is now not entirely valid b/c the ceremony changed

]]> By: jasonbell1981 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2247 jasonbell1981 Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:23:20 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2247 That isn't fact, and unless you have taken part in temple ceremonies which you, have clearly not, you have been given false statements. Mormons who were excommunicated for reasons of their sin, have twisted and corrupted these ceremonies. Like I said, unless you have partaken of these cermonies, than you will never know! That isn’t fact, and unless you have taken part in temple ceremonies which you, have clearly not, you have been given false statements. Mormons who were excommunicated for reasons of their sin, have twisted and corrupted these ceremonies. Like I said, unless you have partaken of these cermonies, than you will never know!

]]> By: SwallowMeAlive http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2248 SwallowMeAlive Mon, 27 Jul 2009 05:32:51 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2248 what is your point? Are you trying to prove the Restored Church wrong? what is your point? Are you trying to prove the Restored Church wrong?

]]> By: aaronshaf2006 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2249 aaronshaf2006 Sat, 25 Jul 2009 04:42:45 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2249 "I don't know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve" Your recent leaders have been very clear on this issue. See mrm[dot]org/fall “I don’t know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve”

Your recent leaders have been very clear on this issue. See mrm[dot]org/fall

]]> By: hillgregorys http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2250 hillgregorys Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:16:48 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2250 Unlike other Christians, we Mormons believe that some portion of every human being (called "intelligence" in Mormon scripture) is co-eternal with God. Character flaws and unrighteous desires originated with us, not Him. He clothed us in a spiritual body, and offers us the opportunity to overcome those flaws and become like Him by allowing Christ to be our refining fire and fuller's soap. We can't do it alone. Only through accepting Christ, and letting him replace our desires with his. Unlike other Christians, we Mormons believe that some portion of every human being (called “intelligence” in Mormon scripture) is co-eternal with God. Character flaws and unrighteous desires originated with us, not Him. He clothed us in a spiritual body, and offers us the opportunity to overcome those flaws and become like Him by allowing Christ to be our refining fire and fuller’s soap. We can’t do it alone. Only through accepting Christ, and letting him replace our desires with his.

]]> By: hillgregorys http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2251 hillgregorys Fri, 24 Jul 2009 22:08:06 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2251 The plan was premised on free choice. That is the only way we may become God-like. God is not a slave (he does not choose righteousness from fear) nor a mere servant (choosing righteousness for pay). The powers of Godliness can be wielded only by those who will freely choose the right when offered a morally significant choice. Satan's plan (that being forced to choose right would redeem us) was a lie for that reason. The plan was premised on free choice. That is the only way we may become God-like. God is not a slave (he does not choose righteousness from fear) nor a mere servant (choosing righteousness for pay). The powers of Godliness can be wielded only by those who will freely choose the right when offered a morally significant choice. Satan’s plan (that being forced to choose right would redeem us) was a lie for that reason.

]]> By: hillgregorys http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2252 hillgregorys Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:59:58 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2252 John, Mormons do not turn theories into beliefs. We believe that there are apostles on the earth today, called by Jesus Christ, who have the same charge as Peter and Paul to reveal the will of God to man. The doctrine of baptism for the dead, while mentioned in the Bibe, was revealed in its fullness by Joseph Smith, the first of these modern apostles. The Bible itself teaches us that only a small part of what Jesus did and taught is captured in the Gospels. John, Mormons do not turn theories into beliefs. We believe that there are apostles on the earth today, called by Jesus Christ, who have the same charge as Peter and Paul to reveal the will of God to man. The doctrine of baptism for the dead, while mentioned in the Bibe, was revealed in its fullness by Joseph Smith, the first of these modern apostles. The Bible itself teaches us that only a small part of what Jesus did and taught is captured in the Gospels.

]]> By: hillgregorys http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2253 hillgregorys Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:48:20 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2253 I don't know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve. I know that is what many good Mormons believe, but I am not so sure. There was a need for mortality, and a need for the "veil" over mortal memory, and a need for temptation, repentence and redemption, but whether those could have been accomplished in another manner (e.g., Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit with the Lord's permission), I do not know. The concept of "felix culpa," however, is hardly a Mormon invention. I don’t know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve. I know that is what many good Mormons believe, but I am not so sure. There was a need for mortality, and a need for the “veil” over mortal memory, and a need for temptation, repentence and redemption, but whether those could have been accomplished in another manner (e.g., Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit with the Lord’s permission), I do not know. The concept of “felix culpa,” however, is hardly a Mormon invention.

]]> By: hillgregorys http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2254 hillgregorys Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:38:23 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2254 It is not blasphemous, Aaron, if it is true. The Lord God Almighty is holy indeed, but we know little or nothing from the Bible about the history of that being, including possible existence before attaining Godhood. We, too, are holy after the refining fire and fuller's soap are applied to us. It is not blasphemous, Aaron, if it is true. The Lord God Almighty is holy indeed, but we know little or nothing from the Bible about the history of that being, including possible existence before attaining Godhood. We, too, are holy after the refining fire and fuller’s soap are applied to us.

]]> By: operagirl529 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html/comment-page-1#comment-2255 operagirl529 Fri, 24 Jul 2009 21:13:53 +0000 http://www.ldsnext.com/mormons-did-god-the-father-gain-his-knowledge-of-good-and-evil-by-eating-of-the-forbidden-fruit.html#comment-2255 continued on from my last comment.... and as a resource, use a resource that a LDS member wrote, not a past member, or an anti mormon one, a true, believing LDS member. I was born and raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and I love my Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ. I know of HIs existence and what He did for all of us so that we may return to live with Him once more. I long for the day to be in His presence again and will never doubt His existence. Amen. continued on from my last comment….

and as a resource, use a resource that a LDS member wrote, not a past member, or an anti mormon one, a true, believing LDS member.
I was born and raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and I love my Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ. I know of HIs existence and what He did for all of us so that we may return to live with Him once more. I long for the day to be in His presence again and will never doubt His existence. Amen.

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