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Mormons, did God the Father gain his knowledge of good and evil by eating of the forbidden fruit?
that is the way Father gained his knowledge.” Mormons, do you believe God the Father gained knowledge of good and evil by eating of the forbidden fruit? This video is my first (amateurish) attempt to apply a Stephen Crowder kind of video format to the evangelical engagement of Mormonism. In the video, the dash was accidentally omitted in this pasted line,’”You must eat of this fruit so as to comprehend that everything has its opposite: good and evil, virtue and vice, light and darkness, …
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I don’t mean to be a jerk (sorry if I was), but personal opinions based off feelings won’t be compelling or definitive, especially here for this issue. Whether God was a sinner is just too important.
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Super video Aaron! Can’t wait to see what is next.
LDS is not true christianity.
Good Video Aaron. Well thought out.
yes it is. its called the Church of JESUS CHRIST of Latter Day Saints
sounds like christianity to me.
No it is not
Aaron, as a Mormon, I do not know how Father gained his knowledge. I believe that Satan told Eve that Father gained his knowledge by doing so in order to persuade her to eat the forbidden fruit. However, I cannot assume that because it was a transgression for Adam and Eve to partake of the fruit after Father had forbidden them to do so, it would also have been sinful for Father to do so under unrevealed circumstances. Scripture tells us little about the Father’s history.
The more interesting question is whether we Mormons believe that Father ever sinned. I do not believe that question to have been answered. We tend to believe, with Lorenzo Snow, that “As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.” That aspiration seems to be consistent with John 1: 12 and 17: 21 – 23.
If we can become “as God is” despite our current sinfulness, I see no horror in the possibliity that Father may (before He become God) have sinned, repented, and been redeemed,.
Aaron, no wonder Mormons are forbidden from discussing their Temple ceremony outside the Temple and with non-Mormons. Great info!
to hillgregorys: May I make a few points addressing your comments?
The Christian position has never taught that the Father ever needed to “gain knowledge”.
You also cannot assume that because Scripture tells us nothing about “unrevealed circumstances” that you should turn theroys into beliefs.
The LDS doctrine of ‘baptism for the dead’ is kind of a similar example of taking a Scripture out of it’s intended context & creating a doctrine which has nothing to do with Christianity.
to operagirl529: Your logic about the LDS group calling itself true Christianity because their name has the words Jesus Christ in it is similar to a person walking into a MacDonalds & declaring himself to be a hamburger. Just because he makes the claim doesn’t make it true. Do you see the point?
If it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Even, why would it have been a sin for the Father to begin with? No offense, but it seems even Mormons equivocate on the sin/transgression issue. Also, if there was a non-forbidden way to partake of the fruit in question, then that means a second-rate plan was chosen for us in the pre-mortal Grand Council.
Thank you for your honesty, really. However, what you allow for as a possibility is a horrific blasphemy that dishonors God.
“Holy, holy, holy, is the Lord God Almighty, who was and is and is to come!” (Revelation 4:8)
it is christianity because we worship the Lord Jesus Christ. We pray to Him, we love Him, we know that He died for our sins. We also love our Heavenly Father. We love both. Jesus Christ is the redeemer of the world and the Savior and we have never doubted that. You show me a place where it states that we don’t believe in Jesus Christ, and I’ll show you 13 million people who would never doubt His existence.
continued on from my last comment….
and as a resource, use a resource that a LDS member wrote, not a past member, or an anti mormon one, a true, believing LDS member.
I was born and raised in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints and I love my Savior and Redeemer, Jesus Christ. I know of HIs existence and what He did for all of us so that we may return to live with Him once more. I long for the day to be in His presence again and will never doubt His existence. Amen.
It is not blasphemous, Aaron, if it is true. The Lord God Almighty is holy indeed, but we know little or nothing from the Bible about the history of that being, including possible existence before attaining Godhood. We, too, are holy after the refining fire and fuller’s soap are applied to us.
I don’t know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve. I know that is what many good Mormons believe, but I am not so sure. There was a need for mortality, and a need for the “veil” over mortal memory, and a need for temptation, repentence and redemption, but whether those could have been accomplished in another manner (e.g., Adam and Eve partaking of the fruit with the Lord’s permission), I do not know. The concept of “felix culpa,” however, is hardly a Mormon invention.
John, Mormons do not turn theories into beliefs. We believe that there are apostles on the earth today, called by Jesus Christ, who have the same charge as Peter and Paul to reveal the will of God to man. The doctrine of baptism for the dead, while mentioned in the Bibe, was revealed in its fullness by Joseph Smith, the first of these modern apostles. The Bible itself teaches us that only a small part of what Jesus did and taught is captured in the Gospels.
The plan was premised on free choice. That is the only way we may become God-like. God is not a slave (he does not choose righteousness from fear) nor a mere servant (choosing righteousness for pay). The powers of Godliness can be wielded only by those who will freely choose the right when offered a morally significant choice. Satan’s plan (that being forced to choose right would redeem us) was a lie for that reason.
Unlike other Christians, we Mormons believe that some portion of every human being (called “intelligence” in Mormon scripture) is co-eternal with God. Character flaws and unrighteous desires originated with us, not Him. He clothed us in a spiritual body, and offers us the opportunity to overcome those flaws and become like Him by allowing Christ to be our refining fire and fuller’s soap. We can’t do it alone. Only through accepting Christ, and letting him replace our desires with his.
“I don’t know that it was a sinless transgression for Adam and Eve”
Your recent leaders have been very clear on this issue. See mrm[dot]org/fall
what is your point? Are you trying to prove the Restored Church wrong?
That isn’t fact, and unless you have taken part in temple ceremonies which you, have clearly not, you have been given false statements. Mormons who were excommunicated for reasons of their sin, have twisted and corrupted these ceremonies. Like I said, unless you have partaken of these cermonies, than you will never know!
If it’s the transcript I think it is, it is from a recording that someone secretly took in. Also according to what I’ve read the transcript is now not entirely valid b/c the ceremony changed